Monday, February 2, 2009

Is Imperialism Worth it? (793-804)

So today in class we talked a lot about the difference between Imperialism and Expansionism- and I realized that the difference between them is practically nothing. Although- in my mind, Imperialism has a more negative connotation than Expansionism. Of course the first country than comes to my mind when the word expansionism comes up is Russia- and this chapter in the book does mention Russian Imperialism. Apparently, throughout the 19th century Russia had been acquiring territory after territory: Georgia, Bessarabia, Turkestan, and Armenia. However, issues begin to arise when Russian imperialism butts heads with a different country that is also expanding its empire into 'unknown' land. Russia almost got into a war with Britain TWICE: once in 1881 when the Russia troops were occupying the 'territories in the trans-Caspian region' and again in 1884-1887 ' when the tsar's forces advanced to the frontier of Afghanistan' (803). These big powers like to acquire new land and they definitely like to maintain and protect their already acquired land- therefore in 1875 when Russian expansion into Mongolia and Manchuria ran into Japanese expansion- all hell broke loose (i.e. they went to war). Russia basically got humiliated because its huge imperial army had met its match and then the navy was sent halfway around the world to help reinforce the struggling army, only to be ambushed and sunk by the 'better-trained and -equipped Japanese fleet' (803). 
While reading this chapter and learning about the Great Mutiny of 1857 in India (which was the center of the British Empire)- I thought to myself, why expand? Why risk everything if you have the chance to lose it all? Colonizing another people and taking over another country takes a lot of effort, skill in keeping the 'other people' calm, pragmatism, military force, and a lot of money. When the British Empire went into India (at first the British Easy India Company was in control- they had their own military, the right to collect taxes on land from Indian peasants, and had legal monopolies over trade in all goods) they had to use both direct and indirect rule, by making alliances with local leaders. However, the problem was that a lot of English wanted to 'westernize' India and therefore get rid of its culture and fix its religion. These kind of changes to India's fundamental state of being- upset a lot of people. A lot of different kinds of people rebelled and it took Britain over a year to quell the rebellion: "British leaders were stunned by how close the revolt had brought them to disaster and were determined never to repeat the same mistakes" (794). After the revolt, the British East India Company was terminated and the crown took over- afterwards India was "left to indigenous princes, who were subject to British advisors" (794). I don't know- it just seems like such a hassle to have to maintain power and stability within this colonized nation. I mean I understand the reasons for imperialism: search for new markets, beat out the competition, want more resources to help feed the future economy, it is our 'duty/mission/burden' to expand- I'm just saying that imperialism seems like it causes more trouble than good. Of course, maybe as I read on this opinion of mine will change.

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  1. I don't know- it just seems like such a hassle to have to maintain power and stability within this colonized nation. I mean I understand the reasons for imperialism: search for new markets, beat out the competition, want more resources to help feed the future economy, it is our 'duty/mission/burden' to expand- I'm just saying that imperialism seems like it causes more trouble than good.
    http://dlemma-blogaboutmoderneuropeanhistory.blogspot.com/2009/02/793-804.html
    You are in good company. Britain as one of the first imperializer took up the best territory—India was a big plus for her—check out Curzon’s statement on p797 in the text. What do you think? Late imperializers like Germany got less desirable locations—like parts of Africa that were going to require a lot of money and labour to begin exploiting. One plus—the Belgian Congo was a big supplier of rubber. Bismarck was not really interested in overseas colonies, seeing it rightly, as being eventually antagonistic to Britain—a country Bismarck wanted neutral and well-disposed to Germany. But this did not stop him from supporting colonies for domestic political reasons.

    Overall, this period showed us that Europe was not a stable place around 1870ish with the "Eastern Question" still not yet answered, a change in the balance of power in Europe, and nationalism still a strong tool to be used!! What will happen next??
    http://dlemma-blogaboutmoderneuropeanhistory.blogspot.com/2009/01/summary-post-2.html
    So, what do you expect? What will the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire do? Will Austria and Russia play ball? Or draw further apart? I am especially interested, since you asked this question earlier in your post: http://dlemma-blogaboutmoderneuropeanhistory.blogspot.com/2009/01/search-for-balance-of-power-767-781.html
    So, what say you?

    As long as everyone agrees we are a nation- then we are a nation. As long as we have common ideals shared by all- then we are a nation. As long as we have shared legal, educational, and political institutions- then we are a nation. A lot of the process of figuring out if we are a nation is subjective.
    To be perfectly honest, I'm still quite confused on the chronology of the July Revolution, June Days, and overall, the year of 1848.
    http://dlemma-blogaboutmoderneuropeanhistory.blogspot.com/2009/01/summary-post.html
    SO, what is a nation? Is it a conglomeration of people who all agree that they are a nation? Or are there other factors involved? As for the timeline issue, check out:
    1830: http://www.fsmitha.com/time19-3.htm, & remember that Poland revolts 1831, Mazzini forms Young Italy in 1831
    1848: http://www.pvhs.chico.k12.ca.us/~bsilva/projects/revs/1848time.html

    http://dlemma-blogaboutmoderneuropeanhistory.blogspot.com/2009/01/bismarck-ie-machiavelli-762-767.html
    Good analysis.

    http://dlemma-blogaboutmoderneuropeanhistory.blogspot.com/2009/01/response-to-natewozeres-karl-marx-or-mr.html
    I am going to quote what I said to Nate, at least in part: “I wonder if you might entertain another view: That the change would be so massive that the old institutions would not survive. Since it was universal, there wouldn't be a bastion of capitalism left. The older folks would not be fully with the view of a post capitalist world, since their experience is firmly rooted in this one—habit stops us from making the leap. But the ones who come later—they won't have these habits, so they will embrace the new world. Us? We will wither away, along with a vestige of the state, which would be there in transition to the new society. Utopian? Maybe... ”
    I don’t think Marx wants to make women prostitutes. I think Marx wants to free them from what he and Engels sees as legalized prostitution. In M & E’s view women need self-determination, just like all workers. So they choose who they want to be close to, rather than have society dictate to them who and in what class they must marry. I am not sure why this feels so controversial. What textual support can you see to support your interpretation?

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